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		<title>By: seraphim</title>
		<link>http://silouanthompson.net/2008/07/sola-scriptura/comment-page-1/#comment-4825</link>
		<dc:creator>seraphim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 03:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silouan,

I pray God to bless your endeavours. Thank you for posting this article. Being a craddle Orthodox (Romanian) living in Protestant lands (Australia), I have witnessed the unfathomable mercy of God. One of my very good friends is now a former Anglican cum Presbyterian fellow, who was a teacher of Religious studies in an Australian High School. When at Uni, studying &quot;religion&quot;,  he was struck by the oddity of the curriculum that stopped all studies of Christianity at the fourth century mark, only to resume it at the sixteenth! He started in earnest to study the history of Christianity in the gap centuries and in due time he ask to be baptized in the Orthodox Church! Keep in mind that he came from a solid background of Presbyterian missionaries in the Pacific and for a while he was involved in the works of the Anglican Church! He is the &quot;translator&quot; for many Orthodox Australians (craddle Orthodox, but with little knowledge, if at all, of the assumptions of the surrounding Protestant environment in which they, by necessity live and work). He is engaged in a patient work of conversion. So there is hope for Protestants!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silouan,</p>
<p>I pray God to bless your endeavours. Thank you for posting this article. Being a craddle Orthodox (Romanian) living in Protestant lands (Australia), I have witnessed the unfathomable mercy of God. One of my very good friends is now a former Anglican cum Presbyterian fellow, who was a teacher of Religious studies in an Australian High School. When at Uni, studying &#8220;religion&#8221;,  he was struck by the oddity of the curriculum that stopped all studies of Christianity at the fourth century mark, only to resume it at the sixteenth! He started in earnest to study the history of Christianity in the gap centuries and in due time he ask to be baptized in the Orthodox Church! Keep in mind that he came from a solid background of Presbyterian missionaries in the Pacific and for a while he was involved in the works of the Anglican Church! He is the &#8220;translator&#8221; for many Orthodox Australians (craddle Orthodox, but with little knowledge, if at all, of the assumptions of the surrounding Protestant environment in which they, by necessity live and work). He is engaged in a patient work of conversion. So there is hope for Protestants!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://silouanthompson.net/2008/07/sola-scriptura/comment-page-1/#comment-3208</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Silouan

That&#039;s not the kind of inerrancy I&#039;ve heard from so many Protestants, but it makes more sense. My slow journey out of fundamentalism was a bit like Bart Ehrman&#039;s - we both lost faith because of the crazy beliefs people have tortured out of the text using their own understanding. His scholarship on NT criticism destroyed his simplistic Protestant view of the Bible. Orthodoxy would&#039;ve saved him the psychic shock.

 What about the layers of meaning that Origen and others found in the Scriptures? Can we read it non-literalistically and still be Orthodox when reading the Hebrew Bible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Silouan</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the kind of inerrancy I&#8217;ve heard from so many Protestants, but it makes more sense. My slow journey out of fundamentalism was a bit like Bart Ehrman&#8217;s &#8211; we both lost faith because of the crazy beliefs people have tortured out of the text using their own understanding. His scholarship on NT criticism destroyed his simplistic Protestant view of the Bible. Orthodoxy would&#8217;ve saved him the psychic shock.</p>
<p> What about the layers of meaning that Origen and others found in the Scriptures? Can we read it non-literalistically and still be Orthodox when reading the Hebrew Bible?</p>
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		<title>By: Silouan</title>
		<link>http://silouanthompson.net/2008/07/sola-scriptura/comment-page-1/#comment-2871</link>
		<dc:creator>Silouan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Adam,

The apostles were authoritative witnesses of what Christ did and taught, so we trust their writings. They were full of the Holy Spirit (&quot;inspired&quot;) in their teaching and writing. So what the apostles and prophets wrote, we can trust. The text of Scripture is the foundational, most central part of the whole body of faith and practice we receive.

In a lot of places, the early apostolic communities and the saints who grew up in them wrote commentaries, prayers and hymns that illumine how &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; read and applied the apostles&#039; and prophets&#039; writing. Where there&#039;s early and clear &lt;a href=&quot;http://silouanthompson.net/2008/08/04/commonitory/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;consensus&lt;/a&gt;, that shapes our own understanding; where there isn&#039;t (e.g. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/may/22.39.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;early chapters of Genesis&lt;/a&gt;), we still trust those passages to be authoritative and profitable for healing souls, but we can&#039;t argue for any kind of inerrant &lt;em&gt;interpretation&lt;/em&gt; of them.

Sometimes the original reading is irrecoverable. We use a Byzantine (of course) NT text and a family of LXX Greek texts for the OT, and where there&#039;s variation within those text traditions, that&#039;s fine. What matters is what the Church in all generations has &lt;em&gt;done&lt;/em&gt; with the scriptures - how they&#039;ve been used in practical ways to heal souyls and to limit dogmatic speculation.

It&#039;s probably not an exclusively Orthodox observation, but inerrancy is about the text - and ultimately about the Author of the text - not about anyone&#039;s reading of the text. Nobody would buy into the media&#039;s artificial &quot;Bible vs. Science&quot; dichotomy if they weren&#039;t married to a particular model of &quot;verbal plenary&quot; inspiration and an English Bible text tradition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Adam,</p>
<p>The apostles were authoritative witnesses of what Christ did and taught, so we trust their writings. They were full of the Holy Spirit (&#8220;inspired&#8221;) in their teaching and writing. So what the apostles and prophets wrote, we can trust. The text of Scripture is the foundational, most central part of the whole body of faith and practice we receive.</p>
<p>In a lot of places, the early apostolic communities and the saints who grew up in them wrote commentaries, prayers and hymns that illumine how <em>they</em> read and applied the apostles&#8217; and prophets&#8217; writing. Where there&#8217;s early and clear <a href="http://silouanthompson.net/2008/08/04/commonitory/" rel="nofollow">consensus</a>, that shapes our own understanding; where there isn&#8217;t (e.g. <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/may/22.39.html" rel="nofollow">early chapters of Genesis</a>), we still trust those passages to be authoritative and profitable for healing souls, but we can&#8217;t argue for any kind of inerrant <em>interpretation</em> of them.</p>
<p>Sometimes the original reading is irrecoverable. We use a Byzantine (of course) NT text and a family of LXX Greek texts for the OT, and where there&#8217;s variation within those text traditions, that&#8217;s fine. What matters is what the Church in all generations has <em>done</em> with the scriptures &#8211; how they&#8217;ve been used in practical ways to heal souyls and to limit dogmatic speculation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably not an exclusively Orthodox observation, but inerrancy is about the text &#8211; and ultimately about the Author of the text &#8211; not about anyone&#8217;s reading of the text. Nobody would buy into the media&#8217;s artificial &#8220;Bible vs. Science&#8221; dichotomy if they weren&#8217;t married to a particular model of &#8220;verbal plenary&#8221; inspiration and an English Bible text tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://silouanthompson.net/2008/07/sola-scriptura/comment-page-1/#comment-2842</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bible doesn&#039;t claim inerrancy and Tradition wisely gives a lot of latitude on contentious issues. What does an Orthodox &quot;inerrancy&quot; mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bible doesn&#8217;t claim inerrancy and Tradition wisely gives a lot of latitude on contentious issues. What does an Orthodox &#8220;inerrancy&#8221; mean?</p>
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		<title>By: iguanas health</title>
		<link>http://silouanthompson.net/2008/07/sola-scriptura/comment-page-1/#comment-2228</link>
		<dc:creator>iguanas health</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again an excellent written post from you. Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again an excellent written post from you. Keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitri Vaganov</title>
		<link>http://silouanthompson.net/2008/07/sola-scriptura/comment-page-1/#comment-2033</link>
		<dc:creator>Dmitri Vaganov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 12:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silouan, thank you for this interesting article. I had questions about scripture interpritation for a long time and noone could articulate a profound answer until now. I have some questions I want to ask you, please give me your email, or send me a message to reply to. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silouan, thank you for this interesting article. I had questions about scripture interpritation for a long time and noone could articulate a profound answer until now. I have some questions I want to ask you, please give me your email, or send me a message to reply to. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Puddle</title>
		<link>http://silouanthompson.net/2008/07/sola-scriptura/comment-page-1/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Puddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may not differ so much from them on the role of Scripture ;)

Hope you enjoy. Directly after reading that one, I read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Becoming-True-Spiritual-Community-Profound/dp/0849918847&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Becoming a True Spiritual Community&lt;/a&gt;, by Larry Crabb, which was an excellent follow-up. Looking at what the church COULD be, if we got past all this stuff, and could just love each other, in our brokenness. What if we could be safe with each other, rather than safe from each other? What if our desire to actually obey Christ elbowed out the religious pressure to behave like good people? 
As much as Pagan Christianity opened my mind to some interesting things, Larry Crabb&#039;s book broke my heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may not differ so much from them on the role of Scripture ;)</p>
<p>Hope you enjoy. Directly after reading that one, I read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Becoming-True-Spiritual-Community-Profound/dp/0849918847" rel="nofollow">Becoming a True Spiritual Community</a>, by Larry Crabb, which was an excellent follow-up. Looking at what the church COULD be, if we got past all this stuff, and could just love each other, in our brokenness. What if we could be safe with each other, rather than safe from each other? What if our desire to actually obey Christ elbowed out the religious pressure to behave like good people?<br />
As much as Pagan Christianity opened my mind to some interesting things, Larry Crabb&#8217;s book broke my heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Silouan</title>
		<link>http://silouanthompson.net/2008/07/sola-scriptura/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Silouan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read it - but now that you mention the book and I google it, I see a fair amount of love/hate pontificating about it on teh Intarwebs. I&#039;ll order a copy!

Some things I&#039;d hope the authors note... the earliest Christians were Jews, used to worshiping in synagogues; &lt;a href=&quot;http://silouanthompson.net/library/early-church/justin-liturgy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Justin Martyr&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://silouanthompson.net/2008/08/27/development-liturgy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;many others&lt;/a&gt; described how that liturgical life developed in the early Church. And while the modern Protestant model of pastor as unitary executive is foreign to pretty much all Christianity before the Radical Reformation, we do have accounts from first-century witnesses like &lt;a href=&quot;http://silouanthompson.net/2008/08/27/ignatius-diaconate/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ignatius&lt;/a&gt; who put the New Testament descriptions of servant leadership into context for us. How did first-century Christians worship, order and grow their communities, and so on? It&#039;s not hard to ask them - they were pretty prolific writers :-)

One place where I expect I&#039;ll differ from Viola and Barna is on the role of Scripture. The New Testament was written to churches that were &lt;em&gt;already functioning&lt;/em&gt; (or dysfunctioning) and the recipients of the Epistles only needed the apostles&#039; corrective notes. The NT doesn&#039;t provide a blueprint for creating (or re-creating) the Church; it&#039;s not meant to, since the NT comes &lt;em&gt;after&lt;/em&gt; the Church already existed.

Anyway, I&#039;ll give &lt;em&gt;The Pagan Church&lt;/em&gt; a serious read and see about writing a review. Thanks for the recommendation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read it &#8211; but now that you mention the book and I google it, I see a fair amount of love/hate pontificating about it on teh Intarwebs. I&#8217;ll order a copy!</p>
<p>Some things I&#8217;d hope the authors note&#8230; the earliest Christians were Jews, used to worshiping in synagogues; <a href="http://silouanthompson.net/library/early-church/justin-liturgy/" rel="nofollow">Justin Martyr</a> and <a href="http://silouanthompson.net/2008/08/27/development-liturgy/" rel="nofollow">many others</a> described how that liturgical life developed in the early Church. And while the modern Protestant model of pastor as unitary executive is foreign to pretty much all Christianity before the Radical Reformation, we do have accounts from first-century witnesses like <a href="http://silouanthompson.net/2008/08/27/ignatius-diaconate/" rel="nofollow">Ignatius</a> who put the New Testament descriptions of servant leadership into context for us. How did first-century Christians worship, order and grow their communities, and so on? It&#8217;s not hard to ask them &#8211; they were pretty prolific writers :-)</p>
<p>One place where I expect I&#8217;ll differ from Viola and Barna is on the role of Scripture. The New Testament was written to churches that were <em>already functioning</em> (or dysfunctioning) and the recipients of the Epistles only needed the apostles&#8217; corrective notes. The NT doesn&#8217;t provide a blueprint for creating (or re-creating) the Church; it&#8217;s not meant to, since the NT comes <em>after</em> the Church already existed.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ll give <em>The Pagan Church</em> a serious read and see about writing a review. Thanks for the recommendation!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Puddle</title>
		<link>http://silouanthompson.net/2008/07/sola-scriptura/comment-page-1/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Puddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Christianity-Exploring-Church-Practices/dp/141431485X&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pagan Christianity?&lt;/a&gt; by Frank Viola and George Barna? They examine in depth much of current church practices (focusing on Protestantism) and come to much of the same conclusions.

This piece does have an unfortunate &quot;us vs. them&quot; attitude though, which I would imagine makes the reading difficult for those Protestants feeling slapped in face by the content, let alone the content&#039;s presentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Christianity-Exploring-Church-Practices/dp/141431485X" rel="nofollow">Pagan Christianity?</a> by Frank Viola and George Barna? They examine in depth much of current church practices (focusing on Protestantism) and come to much of the same conclusions.</p>
<p>This piece does have an unfortunate &#8220;us vs. them&#8221; attitude though, which I would imagine makes the reading difficult for those Protestants feeling slapped in face by the content, let alone the content&#8217;s presentation.</p>
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